 |
 |
 |
 |
| Who's Here |
| Currently no members online. | 
You are an anonymous user. You can register for free by clicking here |
|
|
| Site Stats |
|
Members:
|
|
Total:
|
2085
|
|
|
Last:
|
rrb-Jackson1797
|
|
|
 |
 |
 |
 |
|
|
| Poll |
| What is the Creator of the Universe? |
| God as in the Bible |
|
0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Allah as in the Koran |
|
11% |
[ 1 ] |
| An Impersonal Life Force |
|
33% |
[ 3 ] |
| Nothing, the Universe Just Exists |
|
11% |
[ 1 ] |
| Other... |
|
44% |
[ 4 ] |
|
| Total Votes : 9 |
|
| Author |
Message |
|
|
Post subject:
 Posted: May 03, 2004 - 12:43 PM
|
|
A long way to the 7th Level
Joined: Aug 18, 2003
Posts: 56
Location: Lisbon
|
|
You got me all wrong. And you disagreed with everything single thing I said.
Which is fine.
Still, I won't discuss this any further.
 Love is all you need!! |
_________________
.: STRAPAU :.
|
| |
|
|
|
 |
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: May 03, 2004 - 03:11 PM
|
|
7th Level Skirter
Joined: Apr 17, 2003
Posts: 161
Location: Britain
|
|
Oh, go on. Explain what you really mean.
I don't mean to disagree excessively. The reason I am actively challenging what you say is to bring out what you really mean. Its not possible for people to find common ground before they understand one another. And the only way to understand a person is to discover the foundation of their reasoning - hence my disagreement is really a desire for understanding.
Anyway, I didn't contradict everything you said. I agree that you're perfect  |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: May 03, 2004 - 06:59 PM
|
|
A long way to the 7th Level
Joined: Aug 18, 2003
Posts: 56
Location: Lisbon
|
|
Hummmmmm...
Okay, here goes.
I believe we're on this planet to remember who we are.
The Universe.
Big Bang and the Universe appeared and is expanding. God did this, It disected himself in pieces keeping a connection with each one to experience Itself. Like the Universe is expanding it will also contract someday. It expands and then contracts, the breathing in and breathing out of God.
Beyond God.
Us humans have already been able to break the atom, getting the neutrons, protons and electrons. Breaking these we've got the subatomic particles, the Quarks.
But this is not the end is it? I believe we can break things in half infinite, INFINITE times down. Me, broken up in pieces, I get body, mind and spirit. Together I'm a human being.
I believe we can break things in half infinite times down, but I also believe we can do the same upwards. Not break, but unite. The most direct thing upwards is God (it is upwards but it is us who compose it) and what is upwards to God? This is where I limit my use of words and shut up.
My truth.
Is that I'm remembering who I am, I have been doing so in all the Lives I've had in this planet. To remember who I am I have to experience myself. Experience can only be obtained thru trying all of the polarities, to know them both, to know none.
Polarity = WRIGHT and WRONG, I'm either right or wrong. But being in between them doesn't mean that I'm somewhat right or somewhat wrong. Being in the middle is when I've experienced wrightness and wrongness. That's when I've experience it, that's when I've remember who I am a bit more. And when I've remembered myself completely I'm enlightened, I've been able to unite myself with God. When this happens there will be something else I'll want to unite to.
This is the base of my belief. It's like a tree. The trunk is solid, I can feel it, I know it's there. As I remember myself the branches of this tree will grow and I'll be able to know them all and tell them all. At this point this is all I can say about how I basically structure my belief. More to come as I walk thru time.
Stay tuned 
This is my belief.
Don't anybody come with "I disagrees" cause there is no chance you can disagree. This is no argument. This is me.
|
_________________
.: STRAPAU :.
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: May 14, 2004 - 08:11 AM
|
|
Directed Jiwa
Joined: Feb 04, 2003
Posts: 33
Location: London
|
|
I just want to say that I've just read most of this thread, and it is fascinating.
I try not to concern myself with these types of conversation anymore because they tend to go around in circles and are more likely to lead to disharmony than form the basis for understanding, but I find this non-religious, scientific vision of "God as everything" compelling. It has always appealed to me - I can feel the truth of it. I feel that the "Beyond God" question is far far far from our comprehension as human beings, however, and that having an opinion on this is academic (as is this whole debate, in fact).
For me the central problem for human beings is that we were made as Gods, with the power to create and destroy and the free will to choose, which creates a massive confusion in us. The knowledge of good and evil brings with it both power and responsability, which means that we have to figure out our purpose here on earth, whereas for the animals, their purpose is obvious - procreation, eating, hunting, lying around, singing etc etc. It's all in Genesis really, so perhaps I should be the first to vote for "God as in the Bible" but I can't quite bring myself to do it, either as a subudian/muslim, or as an educated man. It's not just bullshit though - it is based on the depth of reasoning Vitor applies, but encoded in an archaic form of story.
Understanding God, for me at least, is forbidden. I haven't got a clue about God, and I don't care what God is. I just do my latihan and make no effort to understand anymore. It's very liberating. For me, that is the real "Beyond God."
With love
Lucas |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: May 20, 2004 - 03:30 AM
|
|
A long way to the 7th Level
Joined: Aug 18, 2003
Posts: 56
Location: Lisbon
|
|
| Amen to you Lucas!! |
_________________
.: STRAPAU :.
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: May 27, 2004 - 09:38 PM
|
|
Directed Jiwa
Joined: Nov 13, 2003
Posts: 38
Location: UK
|
|
| Man, Vitor, just would like to say you are an inspiration to me, haven't forgotten the time we met a big, hope to see u again before too long. Have u realised yet, these debates suck you into a never-ending, analytical loop-hole! I tried getting passionate about my views on here a couple of times, and came up with a splitting headache! Guaranteed, words will be picked at, dissected, and held up to a magnifying glass in this forum. Okay, so it can be interesting, intrigueing etc. to go thru this process sometimes, but on such a topic as God, I put 'other' for the very reason that I could not even begin to define God as the human being that I am. I agree with many of your theories Vitor, but i am 'throwing around ideas' stage . When u start to think too much, certainly from experience I just get in a twist! What I see as important is people like yourself Vitor, grabbing the moment, being creative, having drive, passion, zest for life, waking up happy and using the talents that you have been given, and sharing your qualities with the world. whoever this 'God is, or whatever, I am sure God plays a huge part in a person's ability to live life in such a healthy, productive way as this. Peace, Stu |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: May 30, 2004 - 04:43 PM
|
|
A long way to the 7th Level
Joined: Aug 18, 2003
Posts: 56
Location: Lisbon
|
|
Just chillin brother!!
I thank you for your kind words.
And I'm sorry but I really can't answer to what you said! :p I'm shy. As you know. :p
Thank you!! |
_________________
.: STRAPAU :.
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: May 30, 2004 - 04:58 PM
|
|
A long way to the 7th Level
Joined: Aug 18, 2003
Posts: 56
Location: Lisbon
|
|
And I know what you mean at our words being dissected and analised and all that. Oh well... It's life... It's normal human behaviour.
For me to have my belief I first have to respect others and not judge them. Only then I think I can truly Live by my law. When I judge others I betray myself. Yes, I feel that's a good way to do it.
Just words. Just so that my logic mind knows how to deal with the intensity the comes from within, so th... lablablablablablablabalbalbalbalbalba
lablablabalbalbalbalbalbalablablablabalbalablab
Never ending balbalbla... :p
God we talk a lot don't we. :p
Peace my friend!!
Hope to see you soon!! |
_________________
.: STRAPAU :.
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject: God
Posted: Aug 04, 2004 - 03:24 PM
|
|
Jiwa Walker
Joined: Feb 12, 2004
Posts: 10
|
|
i thought i was clear on my vote but then my faith was shaken like the ground beneath my feet, i dont know wether to vote Vitor or Lucas. what does this mean for the future of my existence.
P.S Ryan, do you want to be my friend. |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Aug 04, 2004 - 03:29 PM
|
|
Jiwa Walker
Joined: Feb 12, 2004
Posts: 10
|
|
| Lucas, is your skin naturally like that or do you use some kind of cream? |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Jan 02, 2007 - 10:58 PM
|
|
A long way to the 7th Level
Joined: Oct 17, 2006
Posts: 62
Location: UK/SCA
|
|
I believe that our perception of the monotheistic God is very much linked to our fundamental religion/beliefs no matter what we say. 
I grow up in a Luther Christian culture with Edda rots, become a Hippie, later in Subud and so Islam. That does not matter what I become, my underlying belief of God and the foundation of my religious belief will always be flavoured by the Christianity in the culture which I grow up in, does not matter what words I uses or likes it or not.
I am not God but I believe God power is in me and I believe I am made in Gods image eg. the world and universe is in me, in my cells, mind and soul and so it is for every living creature on earth. (and elsewhere) he he he 
So for me God is the impersonal universal Life Force that is in everything and everywhere (infinitely) and the name is Allah, Yahweh, Ishvara, Akal, Mwari, Shen, Deus and so on.
[ There would be no risk, they say, if the arguments for God's existence were as solid as the laws of logic, a position famously summed up by Pascal as: "The heart has reasons which reason knows not of." ]
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God#Names_of_God
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06614a.htm
 |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Jan 04, 2007 - 09:11 AM
|
|
7th Level Skirter
Joined: Jan 11, 2006
Posts: 136
|
|
Well, I find it interesting that at least 3 people voted for the answer: "God is an impersonal life force." Doesn't that imply that life has no meaning, and therefore there would be no point in doing the latihan? I mean, you don't need the latihan to commune with an impersonal life force, you can just observe your breathing or take your pulse.  |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Jan 04, 2007 - 07:32 PM
|
|
A long way to the 7th Level
Joined: Oct 17, 2006
Posts: 62
Location: UK/SCA
|
|
# greenlore.
So, what do you want God to be then? An old man with long white beard sitting up in the sky talking down to you in a deep voice?  
 
BTW: Are you a Subud member?
I don't think it is appropriate to comment on what anyone here believes at the moment, if its right, wrong or whatever. If we are going to argue each others believe, we will do the same as been done through history creating wars and misery. Can't we be bigger than that?
Cant we just look at each others views and believes as they are and accept that we all think different? Maybe you that criticise most don't really understand the meaning of what's being said at the moment, you are not there yet or something.
From I was very young I use to get involved in dissuasions about God, life and the universe well, philosophy in general and then Subud. Now, I don't really bother any more it's not so important what I think or believe, if I am right or wrong in this matter and word cant really describe it anyway. (That is why Gurdjieff wrote "All and Everything" a very thick book.) What matter is that we all have respect for each other and don't creates bad feeling and war.
Now I joy bla bla bla at ebay, eater and designer forum.
BTW. This topic has been one of the most active here.
From Apr 2004 to Jan 2007 its been 27 replies by 10 members and 5268 views. 
 |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Jan 05, 2007 - 03:15 AM
|
|
7th Level Skirter
Joined: Jan 11, 2006
Posts: 136
|
|
Helen, I wasn't criticising anyone, just trying to understand what was meant by the statement that, "God is an impersonal force." It's practically a meaningless statement. Perhaps someone who chose that answer could define what it means to them? 
Yes, Helen, I am in Subud. I came into it about 1980, stayed a while and then left for over 20 years, pursued other spiritual paths in the interim. I came back in January of 2006. |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Post subject:
Posted: Jan 05, 2007 - 03:22 AM
|
|
7th Level Skirter
Joined: Jan 11, 2006
Posts: 136
|
|
What is the Creator of the Universe?
1) God as in the Bible
2) Allah as in the Koran
3) An Impersonal Life Force
4) Nothing, the Universe Just Exists
5) Other...
Now, you do realize that all of the above could be true, don't you?  How do you measure infinity? |
|
|
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Frontpage 
FAQ
Search
Register
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
